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gheenoe vs american eagle?

Postby tw1nny03 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:10 pm

I'm in the market for a canoe to fish the Texas flats. I'm trying to decide between the gheenoe 15'4" and the American eagle 16' flats series. I don't want to trailer the canoe. Hoping that i could just load it in the truck bed with the bed extended like I do for my kayak.

I like the American eagle canoe more bc its 90lbs. They both are around the same price at $1,000.

Anyone with any experience on the American eagle canoe?

http://directboats.com/16sqstca.html
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Postby microtom » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:17 pm

I have had lots of canoes and do some paddling with my family. The boat you referenced above may paddle a little better but if you want to have a motor that will get you on plane and if you want to stand up and fish then the Gheenoe is a much better choice.
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Postby Gatorgeist » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:25 pm

I come from a canoe/flat back canoe background. Getting a gheenoe was the best thing I ever did. Way more stable, holds more weight, and I no longer have to put it on my roof. Getting a trailer and gheenoe is worth it. You can buy a used trailer and used gheenoe for around 600 without the motor. I could never justify spending anymore than a 100 bucks for a canoe cause to me it's just not worth it.
Good luck with your decision.
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Postby tw1nny03 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:34 pm

I've been looking out for a used 15'4". Hard to come by one in the Texas/Louisiana area. I have a wtb post in the for sale section.
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Postby tw1nny03 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:35 pm

Would a 15'4" gheenoe be able to be launch by one person without a trailer? I would like to be able to launch the canoe in places I launch my kayak.

No matter which canoe I get, I will be putting an outboard on it.
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Postby Gatorgeist » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:49 pm

Best advise I can give you is to take a trip to georgia and buy one. You won't be sorry. The difference between a flat back canoe and a gheenoe is huge. You won't regret it. My first gheenoe was a 13 ft lowside and it was much more stable than any canoe I've ever been in and I've been in a bunch. I grew up canoeing for miles on the rivers of Florida... Now I gheenoe even further in the same places and can even go in the flats and fish.
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Postby tw1nny03 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:28 pm

There's a gheenoe dealer in Louisiana that i can go to. I was just concerned with the weight of the 15'4".
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Postby backwaterbandits » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:43 pm

I think the 15'4" High Sider weighs about 120 lbs...Not much
more than some of the new 14' kayaks out there!
The 15'4" is like a heavy duty super stable canoe.
Rated for 10hp, many run 15hp and I've seen as much as
25 hp used on them. Rated for 675 lbs!
You need to check them out!
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Postby johnbw620 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:46 pm

"Would a 15'4" gheenoe be able to be launch by one person without a trailer? I would like to be able to launch the canoe in places I launch my kayak. No matter which canoe I get, I will be putting an outboard on it."

I used a bed extender in my truck and launched my 15' 4" highsider by myself. It's possible, but when your also unloading and then attaching the motor it can get tiresome real quick. I'd suggest a two-wheel canoe/kayak cart if you go that route .... and ultimately I think you'll want a trailer if you fish by yourself and/or add the motor.
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Postby planepilot » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:04 pm

I have a canoe background too! My last one was a 19' Grumman square back. I thought that was the cats meow until I got into Gheenoe's. Pugar should be building my third Gheenoe this week. An NMZ (same hull as a 15.4). A 15.4 may look similar to a flat back canoe, but that is where the similarity stops! A Gheenoe "ain't no canoe!" NO comparison.

If you want to throw it in the bed of your pickup, consider a 13'r. They are fun boats and easy to handle. If you are set on a 15.4, do yourself a favor and get a trailer. You still can have the option of putting it in your truck, you can buy a used jet ski trailer cheap and modify it.

The other thing you get when you buy a new or used Gheenoe... is us! If you can think of it, we have either already done it, or know of someone that died trying. There is some awesome experience in these pages. Don't be afraid to ask!
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Hand launch

Postby Noeettica » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:08 pm

I hand launch all the time EZ Peezy here it is ,,,

Runs up to 17 mph

boy do I love this boat !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-4K1xdhv8
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Postby tw1nny03 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:02 pm

What's the minimum HP outboard I can use on the 15"4'? Not trying to win any races. I'm ok with going slow.
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Postby Noeettica » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:11 pm

3.5 is fine

it will not plane but you can run hull speed 7-8 mph depending on load
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Postby tw1nny03 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:14 pm

Was leaning towards a 5 or 6hp tohatsu. What speeds would that get me?
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Postby Jakeway » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:21 pm

One of the Tennessee guys has/had a 4 HP on his, and it ran OK but he recently up-sized. I think weight is the issue...if a 4 HP is only slightly heavier than a 3, go with the 4. I bought a 6 HP Merc because it's the largest HP rated for that weight size (57 lbs) and the next size up is comparably a lot heavier. (This is brand new 4 stroke I'm taling about.)

In fact, it's the motor weight that convinced me to buy a trailer for my 15'4. I'm way overweight and closer to 60 than 50 yrs old, and I could load my Highsider into the back of my F150 OK, but it was a bear lifting that motor up into the bed. It was worth the trailer just to have the motor all hooked up and ready to go when I got to the water.

Oh, and my Kayak only got in the water once in the 16 months after I bought the Gheenoe. And that was only to confirm that I wanted to sell it. I put it on Craigslist the next day and sold it.

BTW, I was getting discouraged about not finding any Gheenoes for sale in Tennessee, then one day found one on this forum. Paid $500 for the boat (seven years old) and got a trailer later for $225. Be patient and keep looking.
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